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Oracle RAC and cold node
Hello. Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ?
I mean something like that:
node1 ---- node2 ---- node3 (cold / hot spare)
node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare'
in RAID1.
How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
Best regards,
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On May 8, 8:46 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote:
> Hello. > Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ?
> I mean something like that:
> node1 ---- node2 ---- node3 (cold / hot spare)
> node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare'
> in RAID1.
> How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
> Best regards,
> --
> ... Robert Jaroszuk ...
> GCS/IT/O d? s: a- C++ ULB++++$ P+ L++++$ E- W++ K- N+ DI+ V-
> w M- PS+ PE Y(+) PGP-(+++) t-- 5? X R !tv b++>++++ D- y+ G++
> .http://zim.iq.pl/. RJ735-RIPE .http://zim.iq.pl/photo/.
> .. The superior warrior wins without fighting -- Sun Tzu. ..
> -> New photos:http://zim.iq.pl/photo/
RAC 10g provides SERVICES for this. For Licenses i think it depends if you user user named or processors. Bye
Cristian Cudizio
http://oracledb.wordpress.com
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On May 8, 8:46 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote:
> Hello. > Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ?
> I mean something like that:
> node1 ---- node2 ---- node3 (cold / hot spare)
> node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare'
> in RAID1.
> How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
> Best regards,
> --
> ... Robert Jaroszuk ...
> GCS/IT/O d? s: a- C++ ULB++++$ P+ L++++$ E- W++ K- N+ DI+ V-
> w M- PS+ PE Y(+) PGP-(+++) t-- 5? X R !tv b++>++++ D- y+ G++
> .http://zim.iq.pl/. RJ735-RIPE .http://zim.iq.pl/photo/.
> .. The superior warrior wins without fighting -- Sun Tzu. ..
> -> New photos:http://zim.iq.pl/photo/
In 9i this was called Oracle Cluster Guard --
Sybrand Bakker
Senior Oracle DBA
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On May 8, 7:46 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote: > Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ? > node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare' > in RAID1. > How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
Why would you want to do that? Is that not defeating one of the many purposes of RAC? Use all the hardware so that none of them just sit still and waste floorspace? Anyway I think there might be a reason for such a configuration, just curious as to what that reason is. Licensing, well that change quite frequently (in the UK that is), I
think they will license that the same way as a standby database. That
is: you intend to use it, even in a disaster that might never happen,
well pay for it then.
Regards
Bernard
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bernard (bernard_at_bosvark.com) wrote: > On May 8, 7:46 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote: >> Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ?
>> node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare'
>> in RAID1.
>> How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
> Why would you want to do that? Is that not defeating one of the many
> purposes of RAC? Use all the hardware so that none of them just sit
> still and waste floorspace? Anyway I think there might be a reason
> for such a configuration, just curious as to what that reason is.
> Licensing, well that change quite frequently (in the UK that is), I
> think they will license that the same way as a standby database. That
> is: you intend to use it, even in a disaster that might never happen,
> well pay for it then.
The only reason I see for using 'cold node' in RAC is licensing. That's why I'am asking about this :-) Anyone has confirmed information about licensing failover/cluster guard nodes in RAC? --
... Robert Jaroszuk ...
GCS/IT/O d? s: a- C++ ULB++++$ P+ L++++$ E- W++ K- N+ DI+ V-
w M- PS+ PE Y(+) PGP-(+++) t-- 5? X R !tv b++>++++ D- y+ G++
. http://zim.iq.pl/ . RJ735-RIPE . http://zim.iq.pl/photo/ .
.. The superior warrior wins without fighting -- Sun Tzu. ..
-> New photos: http://zim.iq.pl/photo/
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Robert Jaroszuk wrote: > bernard (bernard_at_bosvark.com) wrote: >> On May 8, 7:46 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote: >>> Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ?
>>> node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare'
>>> in RAID1.
>>> How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
>> Why would you want to do that? Is that not defeating one of the many
>> purposes of RAC? Use all the hardware so that none of them just sit
>> still and waste floorspace? Anyway I think there might be a reason
>> for such a configuration, just curious as to what that reason is.
>> Licensing, well that change quite frequently (in the UK that is), I
>> think they will license that the same way as a standby database. That
>> is: you intend to use it, even in a disaster that might never happen,
>> well pay for it then.
> The only reason I see for using 'cold node' in RAC is licensing.
> That's why I'am asking about this :-)
> Anyone has confirmed information about licensing failover/cluster guard
> nodes in RAC?
Oracle's licensing policy on standby databases is Oracle's licensing on standby databases. The presence in a RAC cluster, from my read, does not change the terms. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damor @x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) Puget Sound Oracle Users Group www.psoug.org -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
On May 8, 6:20 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote:
> bernard (bernard_at_bosvark.com) wrote: > > On May 8, 7:46 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote: > >> Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ?
> >> node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare'
> >> in RAID1.
> >> How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
> > Why would you want to do that? Is that not defeating one of the many
> > purposes of RAC? Use all the hardware so that none of them just sit
> > still and waste floorspace? Anyway I think there might be a reason
> > for such a configuration, just curious as to what that reason is.
> > Licensing, well that change quite frequently (in the UK that is), I
> > think they will license that the same way as a standby database. That
> > is: you intend to use it, even in a disaster that might never happen,
> > well pay for it then.
> The only reason I see for using 'cold node' in RAC is licensing.
> That's why I'am asking about this :-)
> Anyone has confirmed information about licensing failover/cluster guard
> nodes in RAC?
> --
> ... Robert Jaroszuk ...
> GCS/IT/O d? s: a- C++ ULB++++$ P+ L++++$ E- W++ K- N+ DI+ V-
> w M- PS+ PE Y(+) PGP-(+++) t-- 5? X R !tv b++>++++ D- y+ G++
> .http://zim.iq.pl/. RJ735-RIPE .http://zim.iq.pl/photo/.
> .. The superior warrior wins without fighting -- Sun Tzu. ..
> -> New photos:http://zim.iq.pl/photo/- Hide quoted text -
>
I do not see why you'd pay license for a turned off node. If you start using it, then yes, you should pay license for, but as long as the node is down I would think there is no need for additional license. Also, if you loose one of the other nodes you've already paid for and
bring up the "standby" node I think you should be alright as you are
not using more capacity than you paid for at any given time.
Anyway, that's my two cents, but to be sure of what is legal and so on
you should talk to your rep.
Cheers,
Valentin
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On 8 May 2007 10:47:30 -0700, Valentin Minzatu <valentinminz @yahoo.com> wrote: >I do not see why you'd pay license for a turned off node. If you start >using it, then yes, you should pay license for, but as long as the >node is down I would think there is no need for additional license. >Also, if you loose one of the other nodes you've already paid for and
>bring up the "standby" node I think you should be alright as you are
>not using more capacity than you paid for at any given time.
Obviously you don't know Oracle. If your system allows for 8 CPUs, but you have only 2 fitted, you pay for 8. If you installed the Partitioning Option, but don't use it, you pay for it. I think the OP is going to pay for that 'cold' node, one way or
another.
--
Sybrand Bakker
Senior Oracle DBA
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On May 8, 3:01 pm, sybra @hccnet.nl wrote:
> On 8 May 2007 10:47:30 -0700, Valentin Minzatu > <valentinminz@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I do not see why you'd pay license for a turned off node. If you start
> >using it, then yes, you should pay license for, but as long as the
> >node is down I would think there is no need for additional license.
> >Also, if you loose one of the other nodes you've already paid for and
> >bring up the "standby" node I think you should be alright as you are
> >not using more capacity than you paid for at any given time.
> Obviously you don't know Oracle.
> If your system allows for 8 CPUs, but you have only 2 fitted, you pay
> for 8.
> If you installed the Partitioning Option, but don't use it, you pay
> for it.
> I think the OP is going to pay for that 'cold' node, one way or
> another.
> --
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA
Sybrand, are you saying that if you install Oracle on one machine (attention I am not saying there is a database there) and turn it off you have to pay license for it? For how long? Are you bound to remove Oracle S/W from the machines you retire as well? I understand your line of thinking, but I think it should be a
deliniation hence the ask for the OP to confirm with his rep. Mind you
that this "cold" node has only software on it, no database.
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On May 8, 12:46 am, Robert Jaroszuk <z @iq.no.spam.please.pl> wrote: > Hello. > Is it possible to configure RAC to use so called 'cold node' ?
> I mean something like that:
> node1 ---- node2 ---- node3 (cold / hot spare)
> node3 is not online for all the time, it is something like 'hot spare'
> in RAID1.
> How about Oracle licensing of node3 ?
At Oracle's Pricing and Licensing policy information pages (http:// www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/index.html) in the 'Database Licensing' pdf in the Specialty section, they discuss the license requirement for standby node. -----------------------------------------------Reply-----------------------------------------------
On May 9, 11:12 am, Valentin Minzatu <valentinminz @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 3:01 pm, sybra @hccnet.nl wrote: > > On 8 May 2007 10:47:30 -0700, Valentin Minzatu
> > <valentinminz@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >I do not see why you'd pay license for a turned off node. If you start
> > >using it, then yes, you should pay license for, but as long as the
> > >node is down I would think there is no need for additional license.
> > >Also, if you loose one of the other nodes you've already paid for and
> > >bring up the "standby" node I think you should be alright as you are
> > >not using more capacity than you paid for at any given time.
> > Obviously you don't know Oracle.
> > If your system allows for 8 CPUs, but you have only 2 fitted, you pay
> > for 8.
> > If you installed the Partitioning Option, but don't use it, you pay
> > for it.
> > I think the OP is going to pay for that 'cold' node, one way or
> > another.
> > --
> > Sybrand Bakker
> > Senior Oracle DBA
> Sybrand, are you saying that if you install Oracle on one machine
> (attention I am not saying there is a database there) and turn it off
> you have to pay license for it? For how long? Are you bound to remove
> Oracle S/W from the machines you retire as well?
> I understand your line of thinking, but I think it should be a
> deliniation hence the ask for the OP to confirm with his rep. Mind you
> that this "cold" node has only software on it, no database.- Hide quoted text -
>
Not according to the OP; he's asking about licensing for a third RAC node, including an instance, that is not running all of the time. It would be foolish to not have an instance configured on that node if he is truly expecting it to be a 'spare' in the event a 'main' node crashes. David Fitzjarrell
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On 9 May 2007 09:12:57 -0700, Valentin Minzatu <valentinminz @yahoo.com> wrote: >Sybrand, are you saying that if you install Oracle on one machine >(attention I am not saying there is a database there) and turn it off >you have to pay license for it? For how long? Are you bound to remove >Oracle S/W from the machines you retire as well? >I understand your line of thinking, but I think it should be a
>deliniation hence the ask for the OP to confirm with his rep. Mind you
>that this "cold" node has only software on it, no database.
Valentin, I'm quite aware of the situation of the OP. I was just paraphrasing some discussions we had with various Oracle reps. In the partioning case Oracle was threatening customer to take legal matters. Look at it this way: How many *new* Oracle installations will they sell, nowadays? Why the compliancy actions? To increase their sales figures evidently. --
Sybrand Bakker
Senior Oracle DBA
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On May 9, 1:29 pm, sybra @hccnet.nl wrote:
> On 9 May 2007 09:12:57 -0700, Valentin Minzatu > <valentinminz@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Sybrand, are you saying that if you install Oracle on one machine
> >(attention I am not saying there is a database there) and turn it off
> >you have to pay license for it? For how long? Are you bound to remove
> >Oracle S/W from the machines you retire as well?
> >I understand your line of thinking, but I think it should be a
> >deliniation hence the ask for the OP to confirm with his rep. Mind you
> >that this "cold" node has only software on it, no database.
> Valentin, I'm quite aware of the situation of the OP.
> I was just paraphrasing some discussions we had with various Oracle
> reps. In the partioning case Oracle was threatening customer to take
> legal matters.
> Look at it this way: How many *new* Oracle installations will they
> sell, nowadays? Why the compliancy actions? To increase their sales
> figures evidently.
> --
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA
I completely agree with your point in regards to options although I think that will prevent if it is not already doing so users from expanding their install base (i.e. although you only need 2 CPUs for partitioning/partitioned tables access, you have to license a whole 16 CPUs cluster). I also agree with your point with regards to standby licensing. As a speculation, I think one can keep a server (with the software
installed) offline to be ready to replace a failed machine at the
switch of a button - I hope that was the OP question :). The fact
that the server was configured as part of the cluster or not should
not really matter as it is never used in excess of the license
entitlement - I would be curious to know if one has to pay for backing
up the oracle_home on to a different machine.
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